There is no god!

Do you believe there is a god or not. And why?

There cant be a god. If there existed something like a god,he wouldn't let this planet fuck itself up.

That depends on what kind of god/gods you wish to believe in. Some believed that gods just create the planet, they don't take care of it, others belief that god is evil and WANTS us to 'fuck up' and kill one another.

People have always believed that the gods were higher then us. Besides,if you were able to create a planet with tiny living things on it,would you not care?

Take this look,
there is a God,
God created heaven and angels,
he gave the angels a free choice to live for him or not,
God did the same thing with humanity.
when he created the earth he made men with a free choice to do whatever they want,
and that includes if we follow him or not,
so if we follow him it would be a choice,
wouldnt we be pupets if we couldnt choose what we could do?
thats how evil came in this world,
cause some angels and men didnt want to follow God,
and thats how sin came into the world.
so its all our own faults,
war, depression, death, its all because of the choices we make.
God didnt want us to be at war or anything else,
but its all a choice that we make.
cause if i want to smack someone in his face,
wouldnt that be my choice?!
you cant blame a God for that!
we people have a free choice to do,
so if we make a choice, there is more behind it,
cause if you mary someone, and you didnt have a choice for anohter women,
it would just be because you cant mary someone else,
and that way you dont make the choice with love,
if we choose to mary someone, because we want it,
and we dont want to be with someone else but her,
it will be a choice of love, cause we have so many girls to choose from,
the same is with God,
he wants us to follow him.
and he gave us a free choice for that,
so if we make the choice to follow him,
it would be an act of love,
and not an act of a puppet or robot,
cause everything that happens,
we have a choise to do it or not.

If everything is done by humans, and everything is our choice, then why do many people who belief in the christian god, also belief he answers prayers?

And no, we would not be puppets if god created us as loving, caring animals. Instread of violent ones.

cause we have a choice to ask him for help,
if we are in a difficult situation,
we have a choice to ask him for help or not.
he does not do everything on his own,
he waits for us to make that stap towords him.

FearDark wrote:

Take this look,
there is a God,
God created heaven and angels,
he gave the angels a free choice to live for him or not,
God did the same thing with humanity.
when he created the earth he made men with a free choice to do whatever they want,
*insert rest of the blabla you wrote*

So,basically,war 'n stuff is the faults of the non-believers ( Dont thake it personally,i'm just making it cruder then it is)

Then awnser me one thing. Why does got kill/plague/own his own followers? And why do they keep following him? And why oh why are there so much poor devoted X-ians if there is a god?
i can understand why god would say F you to the people thet desides not to follow him. But to the people that do? I still believe that god is a figment of early human imagination,that later on sprouted into a weapon of might (round the midieval times) and later on into something that makes us feel secure. We know de doesn't exist,yet we feel we need to pray to him. And why? Because it makes us feel safe,and makes us feel like someone is listening.

So,to summarise. There is no god,but that doesn't mean you cant believe in him.

Dark out

I pretty much see it the same as FearDark

Dark Jjay wrote:

Then awnser me one thing. Why does got kill/plague/own his own followers? And why do they keep following him? And why oh why are there so much poor devoted X-ians if there is a god?
i can understand why god would say F you to the people thet desides not to follow him. But to the people that do?

Sickness and misery may sound bad to you but it does not always have to be a bad thing. The problem is that we humans can't see the whole picture so we can't judge if something that is claimed to be an act of God (making a person sick for instance) is positive or negative, or why God did it. Maybe someone gets ill just to get somewhere where God decides He can use that person best. Just guessing here, trying to give examples of what could be...

god does not kill his followers,
it is an act of men.
sickness to, we brought so many deseases and crap on this planet ourselfs,
for example, fucking animals brought other kind of deseases,
mankind is suffering under its own choices,
maybe hard to accept but it is true.......

People are mammals, disease will often infect fish first, then birds, then mammals. Disease is not commonly caused by zoophilia, but just by natural order of things. Eating other animals or being around other animals and taking care of them will also transfer diseases.

A disease will evolve and change to survive, just like a real animal.

Okay. Right now, half is disproving god and the other half is disproving our arguements why god does not exist.

But i'm asking you. Is there any proof that god exists? Because recently i read an article that Mozes (the jewish prophet) was high when he originally talked to god

I think everyone who could afford it was high and drunk back then. (just like some time ago, everyone smoked cigarettes)
They did not know about the bad effects of drugs and alcohol, so if they could. They used it.

yeah they think they know everything,
if they continue researching they will say jesus did drugs,
common how the **** can they even know that,
its all just bullshiting,

but here an ohter question,
can you prove me there is no God?!

No we can't prove that. And there already are theories about Jesus doing drugs.

But what is your personal proof that your god exists, why do you belief?

explain the spiritual world around us,
there is more than most eyes can see,
ive been in what you call "fake satanism"
cause from childhood i had contact with ghost, demons however you call it,
my life was ruined by it,
and i knew for sure there was more than just that,
and i found christian friends,
they showed me that there was a God,
he set me free from all this crap,
the prove is, if there were no god,
i wouldnt sit here,
for on my own i could never getted out off that shit....

I'm sorry, I just don't see a spiritual world, I see nature and our own world. We still don't get everything, so some things may appear strange, but that does not necessarily mean that it's not part of our world.

Could you explain what you mean with "having contact with ghosts/demons"? Did you see them, hear them, feel their presence? What where they like? And did you try to find them?

I had contact with them
mentaly and fysicaly,
i saw their pressence and i felt them.
ive had this sinds i was young,
and i didnt even knew what the world was,
later on in my life it became worse,
and i had no friends, and i was bullied,
so ive gone deeper into it,
that was my fault,
one ive paid for, allmost with my life,

*edit*
dont tell me that my mind created those images because of something,
i really know how to seperate those things.

From experience I can tell you that reality and illusions are not always that clear to distinguish between. What your mind registers or creates can look and feel very much alike.

But you have the right to belief what you want! What did the demons or ghosts do that bothered you? Why did you feel they were evil or not a part of your god?

well because if you have fysical touch its different, i dont illuse that!
ive been through enough to seperate it,
well at first it didnt seem evil,
it was some kind of leader, satan then,
when i grew older they asked more of me.
ive shed my blood for them, not a reall clever idea to do by the way,
i got possed and gave them room to control my body,
many people have saw me walkin with red eyes,
and ive done stuff i rather not talk about,
they just did this because they were afraid itself,
ever sinds ive became christian they became more brutal,
and the only thing they wanted is to get me out of the way,
ive got a calling from God in my believes,
satan is afraid of that, because he knows i will reach out to so many people,
and ever sinds i became christian, and i grew stronger in my faith,
i wassnt afraidof them anymore but they were from me,
in stead of them are teasing me,
i can send them away, and they have no choice then to listen.
and they go away when i tell it,
not on my own,
but with God

FearDark wrote:

well because if you have fysical touch its different, i dont illuse that!
ive been through enough to seperate it,
well at first it didnt seem evil,
it was some kind of leader, satan then,
when i grew older they asked more of me.
ive shed my blood for them, not a reall clever idea to do by the way,
i got possed and gave them room to control my body,
many people have saw me walkin with red eyes,
and ive done stuff i rather not talk about,
they just did this because they were afraid itself,
ever sinds ive became christian they became more brutal,
and the only thing they wanted is to get me out of the way,
ive got a calling from God in my believes,
satan is afraid of that, because he knows i will reach out to so many people,
and ever sinds i became christian, and i grew stronger in my faith,
i wassnt afraidof them anymore but they were from me,
in stead of them are teasing me,
i can send them away, and they have no choice then to listen.
and they go away when i tell it,
not on my own,
but with God

I do need to ask, where is the line of plain crazy and realitity...

Not to be a whiner, but these things never happen when they need to...we always hear the stories...I would like some proof (in general speaking, why does the devil only manifests in churches and holy places to annoy the good guys?)


On topic: I don't believe in God.
Why not?

Because he didn't convince me otherwise! (But if I say he didn't convince me, then I'm actually saying that I know he's there, but I still choose to neglect that? Well if that's how ye wanna read it be my guest....thought I'd point that out...)

why should the devil show himself, to someone who doesnt believe in him,
so he can see satan excists, and autimaticaly gona believe there must be a god then to?!
someone who doesnt believe in him, willnever see him or anything,
he dont need to bother them,

Why would the devil care if you belief in him or not?

And why would god care? Couldn't he do just as much, or more, if people obey his will without worshipping him?

its not about worshipping him
its about the choice for him.

Well, i could see that if there IS a god,he'd care if you beleive in him. I mean,he MADE a fucking planet. The least the ingrates that live on it can do is believe in him that he did it.


Again,dont get me wrong, god is bull.

/compassion